Mannlicher-Schoenauer Model 1903 Bolt-action Rifle, 20th century, serial number 11552, 6.5x54mm caliber, walnut stock with checkered grip, top of the receiver marked 'MANNLICHER/SCHOENAUER/M. 1903,' with Zielklein Nr. 27531 scope, overall lg. Provenance: Vintage Doubles LLC, Wenatchee, Washington, January 12, 2015. Wimer's Collectable Rifles. Shipments sent to a FFL dealer only on all guns. Shipping normally is $3. Rifles going UPS insured Standard delivery.
I am attempting to find the value of my father's Mannlicher. It is chambered for 6.5x54 ammo.
Serial number is 11372. There is a number on the bottom of the stock, 27817. The gun is in beautiful condition. Close to 100% bluing. There are some small spots on the stock where the finish is slightly marred.
Checking is in excellent condition. The bore is clean and shines. The action is very smooth. I also found a set of sights (they may be the originals). The gun was last fired in the 60's. I am not planning to sell the gun; just get the value so I can let my brothers know what it is worth.
There was an Army / Navy surplus store in town that sold those rifles in the 50's and early 60's for as little as $15.00 $15 then would be like $100 today. Unless you are a collector and have more money then brains - that is about all that it is worth. I'm surprised to see that the butter knife bolt was not heated and bent. Your rifle appears to be in original condition. If you read Chuck Hawks article - it says that the early models had issues and that the later models commanded a higher price and had a intrinsic value to those that collected them.
Hey Everybody, thanks for all the great information on the Mannlicher. I am attaching some additional photos of the gun. First is a blow-up of the makers marks on the left side forward the chamber. The second shows the numbers on the stock. The third is a clearer picture of the dual triggers. By the way, what a great mechanism! I set the rear trigger and it takes only a few ounces of pull on the forward trigger to fire the weapon.
I can see how this makes for a clean, steady shot. Looking forward to taking it to the range to give it a try. Thanks for the quick reply to my question on the makers marks! I suspected it was a commercial version. The gun was owned by my grandfather. He was born in 1866 and worked for the Pinkerton Detective Agency in the late 1880s.
As you can imagine, he appreciated a good weapon. In addition to the Mannlicher, he passed down a Remington Model 51.380, serial number 13597 which indicates it was made in 1918 or 19, I believe. I also have his Winchester Model 62.22, serial number 19697.
Serial number look up on it indicates it was made in 1935. I also have his Remington Target Master model 41.22 which was manufactured between 1936 and 39. The Target Master is amazingly accurate. I learned how to shoot with it when I was a kid, and one time watched my Dad sit on our porch and shoot gophers out in the yard when they poked their heads up to take a look around. Again, thanks to all for the great information.
I really appreciate it. I'm coming late to this thread, but would like to express an opinion. I think that gun is easily a $1500-1800 item, and perhaps more to the right buyer.
I see higher asking prices on M-S models (1905, 1908) tin other chamberings hat are less in demand as collectibles and of equal quality to the one pictured above. Last year I paid W-A-A-A-Y more than that for an almost virgin M1903 with its original Kahles scope and factory-installed mounts that are numbered to the gun.
I know I paid too much, but I decided going into the auction that I just wanted it and (barely within the bounds of sanity) would pay what I had to. I did reach my comfort level after several bidding rounds and decided that was it.
One more bid from the competitor would have taken it, but it never came. So I got the gun at my very limit. Excuse me for jacking the OP's thread to post my own pic, but I am really fond of this package. • The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts.
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Hello, New member here trying to ID my Mannlicher-Schoenauer. I inheritied the rifle, never fired it. It is absolutely beautiful. I am trying to determine a rough manufacture date and verify caliber. Information; Bottom of magazine plate marked GERMANY. Left side of rifle has following markings; 86892 (I assume SN). It again has 86892 7,6S (I picked up somewhere 7,6S is metric for.30-06).
Other markings US 1906. Then what I assume is a standard manufacture marking Waffenfabrik Mauser Oberndorf A/N. With the exception of various proof markings there is not much else. Any additional information you can provide or confirm would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
I realize you think you've supplied enough information, but you haven't - remember that you have the M-S in your hands, while everyone else is blind. That's presuming it's actually a Mannlicher-Schoenauer, and not a later Steyer-Mannlicher, with the outside of the barrel's spiraled ridges, i.e. The M-S was chambered in 5 different models of half-stock/long barreled rifles and/or full-stock/short barreled carbines - and so could be a High Velocity Sporting Rifle, a Model 24 Carbine, a Model 1950 rifle, a Model 1950 Carbine,a Model 1952 rifle or carbine, a Model 1956 rifle or carbine, or a Model 1960 rifle or carbine. The serial number you quote seems low, and would presumably make it an earlier model - but I'm not fully conversant on M-S serial numbers. Pictures would be a big help, as would a description of barrel length & type, stock type, sights, etc..
All, Here is some additional information and hopefully successfully posted pictures. The overall length is 40 4/16', Barrel is 19'. Two folding rear sight plates front and back of a stationary one (consecutively marked 100/200/300) each with last three digits of SN. Action stamped Waffenfabrik Mauser-Oberndorf A/N. Forward of that is US 1906 and SN 86892 below with BU proof mark.
Forward of that is SN again followed by marking of 7,6S. Double set trigger. Trigger guard push button floor plate release.
Floor plate marked GERMANY. Butterknife handle with last 4 digits of SN and BU proof marks. Other small parts marked with last 2 digits of SN. Butt plate marked MAUSER with small detailed scroll work above and below name. Mauser mark is on hinged door that opens to two round storage holes. One larger than other. Still has brass wire pull cleaning brush with string.
Looking for any additional information that can be provided; Caliber, manufacture date, value. Posted info in pictures in case attachments doesnt work. Again, thanks in advance for any help. A picture is truely worth a thousand words - Thank you. You do not have a Mannlicher-Schoenauer Carbine, which have an internal, detachable spool magazine and the bolt handle ahead of a split rear receiver ring when in battery. What it appears you DO have is a pristine, and much more valuable by far, Oberndorf Mauser 98 Commercial Sporting Carbine, Type M, that although made from 1898 to 1946, was produced between 1914 and 1946 because the Modell M was introduced in 1914.
Any alteration, or damage to what I see pictured, can easily change a $4K +/- collector's item into a $400 shooter.. It is a very fine, Oberndorf commercial Sporting Rifle, in Carbine form, and the 'Type M' just means that the model has a mannlicher, or full-length, stock - copied from the M-S - as opposed to a sporting half-stock. Many custom gunsmiths copy the fullstock design, and some modern factories like Ruger do, also. When most people refer to these non-Mannlicher-Schoenauers, they call them 'mannlichers' instead of the more proper 'mannlicher-style', which can cause some confusion abong those not familiar with the genre. Only the Mauser factory would number the barrel to match the action like that, and the hand-matted front receiver ring is a joy to behold.
It it a wonderful example of Old World craftmanship. Thank you for posting the pics. BTW - It should have a 20' bbl. It's common to measure barrel length incorrectly. It should be measured internally, via dropping a cleaning ron downbore so that the end rests against the face of the closed/cocked bolt. The rod can be marked at the muzzle, then withdrawn and the resultant length measured.. Hey Julla, I also agree with PetahW that is a commercial Oberndorf Mauser Mannlicher, and appears to be in superb condition.
That one is quite valuable and collectible. I have 37 commercial Mauser Mannlichers in my collection that I started collecting in '61 thru '98 and have those made in Germany, Austria, Chec., and variations w/wo scopes, dbl set trig., hex bbls., and 5 engraved models. The Mannlicher is my favorite of all rifles and when I was in business gunsmithing, I built 118 custom Mannlichers for customers, and one particular gent bought 23 of my customs. My best customer(RIP).
They are the cream-of-the-crop sporting rifles and such a pleasure to hunt with. Thanks for the post. I have recently acquired a Steyr Mannlicher Schonauer.
This particular gun was reported to have been during the Stoeger import during the 50s and 60s. The reason I am contacting you is to ask about an unusual mark on the receiver that states the gun is 6.4 Mg. The gentleman I purchased it from believed it to be a 6.4 Magnum? I can find no mention of a 6.4 Magnum ever being made, much less in the Steyr Mannlicher.
Can you help me decipher this marking/caliber? I appreciate any incite you can give. Thank you in advance for all of your help.
PetahW, Thanks for the additional explanation as I am anxious to capture any additional history and identification characteristics for my records. And also for the clarification on barrel measurement. I will do that to confirm. Denny, Thanks for the input.
Your collection is clearly extensive. I appreciate the additional feedback. I am still interested in zeroing in on manufacture date. With your collection expertise do you have any estimated timeline based on SN?
Or do either of you have any recommended Internet source I might go hunting in? Thanks again. Julla SWHM (Sleeping With His Mauser). I don't knoww of a commercial Mauser website, where serial numbers can be traced. Military Mausers are easier to date, because they generally have the year stamped in the top of the front ring. The Modell M was introduced in 1914, but I would WAG your rifle's DOM as mid-30's.
Winggal - You would be better served, to start a separate thread for your question, ILO inserting in this one - as it would get wider viewing. The bore is most likely a 6.5, and the only 6. Backuptrans Android Whatsapp Transfer Crack Key Software. 5 magnum of that timeline is the 6.5x68mm (the.264 Win Mag came in the late 60's IIRC) - BUT - some European makers called the non-magnum 6.5x55 Swede the 6.5x55 Mauser, so it's best to do a chamber cast if you have no ammo handy to check for fit (NOT a live fire).. A picture is truely worth a thousand words - Thank you. You do not have a Mannlicher-Schoenauer Carbine, which have an internal, detachable spool magazine and the bolt handle ahead of a split rear receiver ring when in battery.
What it appears you DO have is a pristine, and much more valuable by far, Oberndorf Mauser 98 Commercial Sporting Carbine, Type M, that although made from 1898 to 1946, was produced between 1914 and 1946 because the Modell M was introduced in 1914. Any alteration, or damage to what I see pictured, can easily change a $4K +/- collector's item into a $400 shooter.. Click to expand.I have a similar rifle and can't find anything about what it is. Your posts are the closest I've come to an answer.
I hope you can confirm what it is. The receiver is stamped '6,5KP Waffenfabrik Mauser - Oberndorf N/A'; the barrel has 250/3000; the serial number is 879XX; the bolt number matches the last two numbers of the serial no.; the stock is an uncheckered Mannlicher 'style' with a couple inches of black wood near the bore; there is an adjustable set trigger; above the serial no. Are 'Crown over U' and 'Crown over B' stamps. When I acquired it there was a Weaver K4 scope mounted and no sign of any metal sights ever being installed.
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